Gender Outlaw! An Interview with Kate Bornstein
Last week, nationally renowned speaker, performer, activist, educator and super cool woman Kate Bornstein was on campus to talk about the free expression of sex and gender. “Doin’ It Well” had an opportunity to sit down with Kate to get her expert opinion on the topic of gender identity.
DIW: Many people are interested in hearing your personal journey transitioning from one gender to another. How do you balance your presentations between teaching about the issue of gender and focusing on your own experiences with gender identity?
Kate: I use “edutainment.” Teaching has got to include personal stories to get into the heart. Talking about sex and gender is a heart issue: h-e-a-r-t. It requires that to work. Sometimes I use just entertainment or performance art which includes more of my personal stories.
DIW: What is your ultimate goal with your work?
Kate: Gender is just one of many systems of oppression. The ultimate goal is to see how all systems are tied in a knot with all the others and untie, unravel the knots of oppression. It’s a spiritual journey more than a governmental one. It’s about asking ourselves, “Is this culture stopping me or anyone else from the free expression of sex and gender?” and if so, I have to act.
DIW: Often, people believe that discussions about gender are for those who are genderqueer or LGBT. What should those who are comfortable with very traditional gender presentations be thinking about gender?
Kate: The gender binary is only one of many areas of oppression in the culture. Your presentation of gender is dictated by your age, race, class, ability, citizenship, religion and social standards of beauty. We don’t get to decide for ourselves how to “do” our gender; we obey rules. Any sign of feeling hindered with your sex or gender is time to go looking on the internet. It’s usually the spark that it takes to get people to look there for something different. With the degree of violence against women in the world, I don’t know of any woman who could be happy with the way gender plays out. You’re fooling yourself is you think all’s well. You can find places that are safe or to have fun, but not for everybody.
DIW: Which gender pronouns do you prefer? Are they consistent??
Kate: It depends on how much trouble I want to make! If I’m feeling cranky, I might request “ze”, “hir” or “they.” But, most of the time, I just prefer she and her.
DIW: What advice do you have for those who need to correct someone with the pronouns they are using for them?
Kate: Develop a good sense of humor because you are going against 1,000 years of usage. Be gentle. A person who is going through a transition knows it takes a long time. Grant people time.
DIW: What about advice for those who are interacting with someone who may be transitioning or someone who they are unsure of their gender?
Kate: The key to peace and harmony is respect. If someone says, “I’m ________,” we respect that. You can also say, “I’m sorry, I would like to honor your gender presentation but I’m not sure what pronouns to use with you. What would you prefer?”
DIW: What would you tell someone struggling to gain acceptance and support with their gender identity or presentation?
Kate: Use the internet to see if there is something in your hometown and if not, move. Get yourself to a city that celebrates people like you. If activism is your bent, start appearing more and more in public as yourself as the sex and gender outlaw you are. Use social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter. That is exactly what they are for and when you travel, you can hook up with those friends.
DIW: Where were you able to find support throughout your life with respect to gender identity and gender issues?
Kate: There are large communities of gender outlaws. They are everywhere. Some you have to look harder to find, but they’re there. Sex and gender outlaws have always been underground. Although some places are OK with LGBT, but how about sadomasochism? What about sex workers? What about those into kink? Not all LGBT centers or communities support these people. People who are celebrating the free expression of sex and gender are who I’m looking for.
DIW: If you could make one statement about gender in this country what would it be?
Kate: Gender is two and two only, which leaves out a whole lot of people and robs all of us the need to use our imagination to figure out how we want to express our gender. If gender is an expression of desire, limiting it to two limits our options of desire.
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Sex 411 Get more of Kate Bornstein
- www.hellocruelworld.net
- twitter.com/katebornstein
- http://www.katebornstein.com/KatePages/indexkb.htm
- http://katebornstein.typepad.com/
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